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Stealing Ideas from Outkast’s ‘Hey Ya’.

Posted on March 1, 2008 by Tom
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIw5ZqC1ms&feature=related]

Even the silliest pop song can have an idea worth stealing.

In this case I’d like to point out the time signatures at use in this song. Three bars 0f 4/4, one of 2/4, another two of 4/4, looped over and over for the whole song.

Adding in the occasional half bar is quite a common technique, Outkast certainly didn’t invent it, and clearly it wasn’t enough to make this song listenable for more than about thirty seconds.

However, it can be effective, and it’s certainly an idea worth trying out yourself.

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Categories: Songwriting Structure, Stealing ideas, time signatures

Probably my last Fawm song

Posted on February 27, 2008 by Tom
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Oh dear. I think I’m going to fail FAWM.

Well, I’ve written 10 songs I wouldn’t have otherwise, so that’s not exactly failure is it? But I’m not going to hit fourteen and a half, simply because I’m running out of time!

Here are the last two songs. I’m particularly proud of ‘Where Once They Had Hearts’.

Ideas to steal from them:

  • An ostinato that stays the same while the chords change (E Fsharp Gsharp in ‘In the cellar at number 33′).
  • Climaxing on a chromatic chord (the first chord in the chorus of ‘Where once they had Hearts’ isn’t in the mode that the rest of the song is in)

[audio=http://www.wellwrite.co.uk/songwright/tomslatter_whereoncetheyhadhearts.mp3]

Where Once they had Hearts

[audio=http://www.wellwrite.co.uk/songwright/tomslatter_inthecellaratnumber33.mp3]

In the Cellar at Number 33

I’m going to sum up what I’ve learned from my first FAWM adventure in this weekend’s post.

Categories: FAWM, Songwriting Structure, Stealing ideas

Stealing Ideas from Radiohead’s Creep

Posted on February 18, 2008 by Tom
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Last post I mentioned some common chromatic chords.

Over the weekend I also got involved in a very silly debate about the comparative ‘cultural significance’ of Radiohead and Aqua. It involved the sort of long pretentious discussion I was thankful to have left behind in my student days, and I should probably be ashamed of myself, but it was fun.

And it also made me think of that overplayed early Radiohead hit ‘Creep’.

The chord progression in this song is worth a look because it uses two chromatic chords I mentioned before. The song is in the key of G, and starts of with a G major chord. There then follows a B Major chord.

Is B major in G major? No it isn’t, it requires a D sharp that you don’t find in the key. So it’s a chromatic chord – the third chord of the scale only major when it ‘should’ be minor.

After that we get chord IV, C major. Which is in key, but the next chord isn’t because it’s C minor. Chord IV only minor.

So G B C Cminor. The B and C minor chords are chromatic. If you turn it into a C major version you also get the first chords to the verse of Space Oddity C E F Fm. Isn’t that interesting?

So don’t be afraid of stealing those ideas, definitely nothing new about them.

I promise I’ll stop talking about Radiohead sometime soon.

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Categories: Chords and harmony, key change, Songwriting Structure, Stealing ideas

Gradual or Sudden?

Posted on February 9, 2008 by Tom
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My listening over the last few days has consisted mostly of In Rainbows by Radiohead and Paradise Lost by Symphony x, and it’s got me thinking about change in music.

Generally, music has to change over time in some way. These two bands, from different genres, have quite different methods of achieving that change.

I’ve posted about Radiohead before, and mentioned that to begin with I wasn’t blown away by In Rainbows. Generally the reviews it has recieved have been pretty positive, however, and after paying it a bit more attention my opinion of it has grown considerably.

One thing that stands out about later Radiohead songs is the structure. Almost every song is built around the idea of gradual change, and movement towards a climax. Yes there’s very often a verse chorus thing going on, and the songs aren’t a million miles away from the normal pop song form, but very often the main point seems to be to get to that final third of the song where everything is different.

They achieve this in several ways.

Arpeggi/weird fishes

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e5Iqr0RLN0]

This builds up through the layering of arpeggios (who’da thunk it with a title like that?) reaching a glorious climax of complicated repeating patterns, that then suddenly drop away for line ‘I get eaten by the worms/and weird fishes’.

Nude

Another slow climax that peaks with the line ‘You’ll go to hell for what your dirty mind is thinking’. The word ‘thinking’ a long, falsetto melisma followed by a pregnant pause, and then some wonderfully melodic ‘ooohs’.

Both these songs, and plenty of others, rely on the idea that the song should build and grow towards a climax. That climax is sometimes a single line, and sometimes a new, larger, different passage of music. This is often followed by a quiet coda that restates some of the opening.

Symphony X

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO-cpWpzxVA]

This is quite different from how the songs on Paradise Lost are structured. There’s a long tradition of using elements of classical music in heavy metal, particularly Baroque and Classical ideas. Symphony X do this more than most and have built a reputation as the ‘classical music’ prog metal band.

Whereas modern minimalist classical music, of the type that I’d guess has had some influence on Radiohead, is sometimes about gradual change from one soundscape to the other, a lot of pre-romantic classical music had more clearly defined sections. And that’s the case with Symphony X as well.

Rifftastic

The average Symphony X song is far from an ordinary verse-chorus affair. Heavy metal often extends the introduction and middle sections of the traditional pop song structure, and prog metal bands go even further, adding all sorts of different interludes and breaks.

On the whole what they don’t do is build up and layer loops in order to get towards a single climax point.

So?

So, there are two structural ideas you could think about using here. One, the idea of gradual change, building towards the ‘aah’ moment. The other is the idea of sticking to clearly defined riffs and sections. Music requires change, but will that change be sudden or gradual?

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Categories: Form in songwriting, Songwriting Structure, Stealing ideas

Two more Fawm Songs

Posted on February 4, 2008 by Tom
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I’ve written and demoed two more songs for Fawm which puts me up to four. Technically this means I’m ahead of schedule, but I’m sure things will happen in the rest of the month to balance this out.

Spinning the Compass 

[audio=http://www.wellwrite.co.uk/songwright/tomslatter_spinningthecompass.mp3]

 To The Empty Sky

[audio=http://www.wellwrite.co.uk/songwright/tomslatter_totheemptysky.mp3]

Ideas to steal:

  • Fourths and fifths. Both songs have harmonies that emphasise fourths or fifths. The guitar chords of To The Empty Sky are built using collections parallel fifths, the vox harmonies in Spinning the Compass are sometimes parallel fourths
  •  Build up to something. To the Empty Sky is a big build up to the final line. It sticks with the same two chords until that point.
  • Move from Major to Minor. To the Empty Sky also move from A minor to a Major frequently
  • Change time signature if you need to. Spinning the compass does so frequently.

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Categories: Chords and harmony, FAWM, Form in songwriting, Melody, Songwriting Structure, Stealing ideas, time signatures

Songwriting is about solving problems

Posted on January 29, 2008 by Tom
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A man named Jeremy Yew who lives in Singapore, and runs the Songcraft songwriting circle has written a blog post.

In it he lists a lot of questions that he asks himself when songwriting. I think a lot of them are quite useful, and worth asking about your own songwriting. So here they are:

“Which direction should the chord progression go from here?
How do I fit all these lyrics into the melody? What about the lyrics that just simply can’t be fit in?
Should I modulate the song to another key towards the end? Is it really necessary for this song?
What’s the best chord figuring/bass note to use at this juncture?
What kind of interesting piano accompaniments can I come up with for this song?
How do I make the next lyric line rhyme when there are no logical rhymes to use?
Does this melody sound too similar to something else?
Is my key suitable for the singer’s vocal range, and if not, what happens if another key just doesn’t
sound right?
This passage just doesn’t sound right…how should I change it?
I like the direction this melody is going…but how do I end it?!?
Is the melodic line too convoluted?
The bassline looks like it could be enhanced, but what’s the better alternative?!?”

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Categories: Basics, Other People, Stealing ideas

Stealing Ideas from Madness – House of Fun

Posted on January 28, 2008 by Tom
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House of Fun is a breezy, quirky, cheersome little pop song by Madness. It has an up-tempo ska groove to it and a video that steals liberally from Monty Python sketches.

It’s great fun, but this is Songwright so the important question is: are there any songwriting ideas we can steal from this song?

Of course there are! And in particular House of Fun includes a fantastic idea for changing key.

1. The structure

Intro, verse 1, verse 2, chorus, verse 3, chorus, middle section, verse 4, chorus to end.

That, in a nutshell is the stucture of ‘House of Fun’. Each section is very short, made even shorter by the tempo, and in between most sections the song returns to the opening groove of the intro.

It isn’t a unique structure, it’s been used many times, and it works brilliantly. In particular it’s worth noting that the middle section (I’m sorry son, but we don’t stock…) is the only part of the song that breaks from the up-beat groove. Contrast is very important in songwriting and if there’s anyplace that contrast really needs to stand out it’s after the second chorus.

2. The chord choices

Or rather the order that they’re put in. In particular I want to point out the chords in the chorus.

Why?

Because they’re different every time.

Chorus one: Em C Em Bm, F#m D F#m C#m (which, as you’ll see is the same idea twice, but the second time it’s changed key and moved up a tone)

Chorus two: F#m D F#m C#m Em C

Chorus three is the big one, and it’s here that we find out the song has actually been building to one circular repeating chorus. Em C Em Bm, then a tone up to F#m D F#m C#m, then a tone down when it goes back to the beginning.

Yup, it’s changing key, and yup it’s doing so in exactly the same way that those cheesy boy band songs do. Except it’s doing it over and over again in a short space of time.

Why?

To stop things getting boring. By constantly changing key and changing back like this a manic, unresolved mood is developed, perfectly in keeping with the spirit of the song.

So there you go, ideas to take from House of Fun, and a new variation on this key changing idea that we’ve been talking about recently.

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Categories: Chords and harmony, Form in songwriting, key change, Songwriting Structure, Stealing ideas

Stealing songwriting techniques from Cole Porter’s Anything Goes

Posted on January 20, 2008 by Tom
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I briefly mentioned this song in a recent post. This isn’t the best performance of it, but it will do for our purposes (here’s another recording).

There are some songwriting ideas worth pointing out (and stealing).

1. The lyrics

In olden days, a glimpse of stocking
was looked on as something shocking,
now heaven knows
Anything goes.

Do I really need to say anything about these, other than to mention that they’re brilliant?

2. The choice of scale

That verse melody only uses a Major pentatonic scale. That, combined with a three note pattern over a 4/4 time signature, followed by a high-note climax and you’ve got a killer eight bar melody

3. The Structure.

Notable structural elements include an extended introduction and the use of what was a standard form in the ‘Great American Songbook’: the AABA, or 32 bar song structure.

What is that? Simple: take an 8 bar melody, like the one that fits the lyrics above, repeat it with different words ala Strophic form, then throw in a middle 8 bars that contrast in some way, before finally repeating the first 8 bar melody.

None of them are new ideas, and Cole Porter didn’t invent them (though he did use them particularly well), so why not see if you can use them too?

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Categories: Chords and harmony, Form in songwriting, Lyrics, Melody, Songwriting Structure, Stealing ideas, Uncategorized

How to write a melody that works

Posted on January 19, 2008 by Tom
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Everyone composes from different starting points, whether with chords, melody, lyrics or a tiny snippet of an idea recorded months earlier. Sooner or later you are going to need a melody, but thankfully there’ a suprising consensus on what makes an effective melody. So much so that it’s possible to list common features:

1. Note choice. There tends to be a good balance between stepwise motion and leaps – too much leaping from one note to another can sound disjointed, but well judged leaping in pitch can be wonderfully expressive. Interesting non-chord notes are also often emphasised.

2. Rhythm first. try this out on friends: tap the rhythm to a famous tune, then then play the pitches – with the wrong rhythm – to another famous tune. Which will they recognise? The rhythm of course, providing its catchy enough (and most famous tunes do have a catchy rhythm).

What is a catchy rhythm? One that does’t use too many different note values, one that has some repetition.

3. Climax! This doesn’t have to be the highest note, but it often is. Take the verse of Cole Porter’s ‘Anyhing Goes’. – Two lines in a constricted range, suddenly leaping up to a climax on the line ‘Heaven Knows…’

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ba6U6DNog4]

Yes, you’ll be able to think of melodies that don’t share every single one of those three, but if you’re writing a melody that isn’ quite working, maybe its time to sit back and appraise it. Are leaping between pitches too much? Is there enough rhythmic variation? Too much? Is your highest note at the wrong point?

After the moment of inspiration, a little thought is sometimes required.

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More posts about melody:

Quick songwriting tip – repeating a phrase a third higher

5 ways to start a melody

3 ways to structure a melody

Categories: Lyrics, Melody, Other People, Stealing ideas

Basics: Chords in the major scale

Posted on January 15, 2008 by Tom
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Thanks to Ben Senterfit for having this useful little chart on his site.

As you can see, its a simple list of which chords are in every major scale. Find the key you’re using in the left hand column, then read along to find all the diatonic chords.

Categories: Basics, Chords and harmony, Other People, Stealing ideas
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